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HAHA, ah even in the biggest question ever, we can still find some humor

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Methane

So true! Like Mega's post too

Reminds me of a Penn and Teller episode on religious icons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAIKw22JC7k

They actually did a good segment on the bible itself that covers some facts that we have not addressed yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

"Believe nothing, no matter who has said it not even if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense." -Buddha

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Carlin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSS...feature=related

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Methane

Classic! His analogy on the arrogance of prayer is especially insightful as to the contradiction of people that believe their god has a perfect plan...yet, they choose to ask for modification for their benefit or someone they know. Quite ridiculous when you put in in perspective and realize that the prayer of a Muslim, Christian or even my flipping a coin is predictable with equal probability. The only variable is who or what the good fortune of chance is attributed to...some invisible dude in the sky or what the rest of us call luck.

I may not always agree with his use of language, but he was definitely a great entertainer and educator. RIP George.

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Fase

Whoa! I am truly surprised by the results of this poll! I didnt vote but I will agree that if there is a God he has a sense of humor. He gave me IBS.. AND bad knees.. Becomes humorous at times.

Methane

I found an interesting video that may expand on what I said about the Qur'an being a book that contains contradictory information in that there are peaceful passages and those that command atrocities against those that do not believe.

To be fair, the bible is not better at first glance as it condones atrocities by example (killing of first born, mauling to death of children by bears for making fun of people, killing all of mankind except one family, etc.) and also some good moral lessons...so it is a mixed bag and there is no clear cut way to discern the evil acts of the Christian god from the good ones.

As in the bible, it appears that the Qur'an has the same examples of peace towards your fellow man and also calls for intolerance against those that do not believe.

HOWEVER, the Qur'an has a very clear method to resolve conflicting information or contradictions whereas the bible has no explanation for the conflicting morality for the OT god of wrath vs. the good cop in the NT that saves through grace.

The Qur'an resolves conflicts (the peaceful passages vs. those of wrath) by stating that the passages written last supersede the older passages. It just so happens that the passages of peace and tolerance were written first and those of intolerance and calling for Islam to rule the world via Jihad were written last.

In Islam, it seems as if you have little choice to interpret the good over the bad...it appears that ALL Muslims should behave as the fundamentalists if they were to truly follow the Qur'an as there is no middle ground.

It also reinforces my opinion that non-militant Muslims have a soft spot for their radical brothers in that they understand their actions and choose not to stand in their way...although they may not be busy killing infidels, they understand that the peaceful passages are nullified by those written later that call for Jihad until Shari'a law is enforced by every government with no exception:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

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Dr. Demento

I have said this one too many times. Until Islam takes seriously the act of policing its own then the "moderates" must also be willing to bear the burden of prejudice that comes with failure to do so as no one will take their "message of peace" seriously. Just look how this country treated someone it could have arrested with a well placed string operation not shedding one drop of blood (David Koresh). Do you think the US would ever launch such a raid on a radical mosque if it meant killing most of everyone in it? Inside or outside the country? Think about it.

Regarding the "ground zero mosque"; the christians and muslems both claim they are "moderates" but I would say that the definition of a moderate would be the first person who would be willing to consed their position to the other. Since none are willing to do this then it is safe to say the most vocal people on the issue are not moderate.

The only redeeming thing about the non-moderate christians is that it is better to go with the evil you know than the one you don't. The worst the most extreme non-moderate christians do is set up camps to isolate themselves (maybe not so bad of a thing), commit mass suicide, and sometimes kills abortion doctors (terrible acts). The most extreme islamic terrorists (there are (hundreds of) thousands of them) would detonate nuclear weapons in every major american city simultaneously killing millions given the opportunity. Which would you rather live next to?

Methane

Neither...

You are vastly underestimating the blood on the hands of Christianity. Only recently has Islam taken the upper hand in terms of numbers killed in the name of religion. This is a short list:

As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315 AD), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed. Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain. Pagan services became punishable by death in 356 AD. In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.

Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded.

Some estimates indicate that about 2,000,000 Europeans were killed throughout the crusades (1095-1291).

In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.

Not to mention the several hundred thousands, perhaps millions killed in the Catholic vs. Protestant wars in Europe in the 1500s to 1700s.

That may seem like a lot but it pales in comparison to the Christian god of wrath that killed an estimated 32,000,000 in the old testament.

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Methane

PS: I think you missed my point...did you check out the video, there is no message of peace because it is negated by the more recent non-tolerant passages that dictate Shari'a Law must be universal at all costs?

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Dr. Demento

For the sake of discussion I did not say you had a 3rd choice. If you had to choose one or the other, which would it be?

As for the video, I have seen it before it was posted here.

As for Christianity, I am not educated on specifics but I am well aware of the trail of blood it has left behind. Like Islam, it has had its share of corrupt leadership. The only difference today is that Christian leaders have left violence behind in favor of making a profit.

In Florida, at least they are burning korans and not people at the stake.